1 00:00:10,970 --> 00:00:01,939 this is James Randi and you're listening 2 00:00:13,850 --> 00:00:10,980 to the skeptic zone welcome to the 3 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:13,860 skeptic zone the podcast from Australia 4 00:00:33,350 --> 00:00:28,349 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:33,360 episode number 349 for the 28th of jun 6 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:36,460 2015 richardson's here with you from 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:38,680 Sydney Australia and I'm very glad to be 8 00:00:44,069 --> 00:00:41,890 with you this week earlier in the week 9 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:44,079 earlier last week I should say not long 10 00:00:49,950 --> 00:00:46,420 after the last skeptic Zone episode went 11 00:00:52,619 --> 00:00:49,960 out I found myself in hospital having 12 00:00:57,799 --> 00:00:52,629 some surgery under general anesthetic 13 00:01:01,319 --> 00:00:57,809 for a rather nasty melanoma that was 14 00:01:03,869 --> 00:01:01,329 past tense was on my neck now in the bin 15 00:01:06,570 --> 00:01:03,879 not a very pleasant thing to do to go 16 00:01:08,279 --> 00:01:06,580 through but I'm recovering very well I'm 17 00:01:11,820 --> 00:01:08,289 sitting here with a bandage on my neck 18 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:11,830 I'm going to have a snice scar I think I 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:13,570 can just tell people that I was 20 00:01:19,020 --> 00:01:15,610 auditioning for the Game of Thrones now 21 00:01:22,350 --> 00:01:19,030 my doctors are tell me that they expect 22 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:22,360 me to make a full recovery and hopefully 23 00:01:26,850 --> 00:01:24,670 with regular check-ups now I should have 24 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:26,860 not too much to worry about but I want 25 00:01:30,539 --> 00:01:28,390 to thank all those people out there who 26 00:01:32,429 --> 00:01:30,549 sent me very good well wishes after I 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:32,439 posted the news that day it was all over 28 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:36,490 now my message to you is that if you are 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:39,520 thinking about having something strange 30 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:43,570 on your skin checked out by the GP well 31 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:46,240 this is a good week to do it I left mine 32 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:49,270 a little bit longer than I should have I 33 00:01:52,350 --> 00:01:50,860 did notice something towards the 34 00:01:55,109 --> 00:01:52,360 beginning of the year and I wasn't quite 35 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:55,119 sure about but I didn't pay too much 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:57,070 attention and by the time I finally got 37 00:02:01,709 --> 00:01:59,170 round to seeing my GP and then the 38 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:01,719 specialist yes they told me it was a 39 00:02:08,789 --> 00:02:05,590 malignant melanoma and that could have 40 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:08,799 been very serious so skeptics own fans I 41 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:11,140 want you to be skeptics and fans for 42 00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:14,049 many years to come maybe now is the time 43 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:16,900 for you to get checked out and another 44 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:18,100 thing that's interesting about this 45 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:20,650 whole situation is coincidentally right 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:24,030 now I'm utilizing the new google photos 47 00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:26,410 service I guess you'd call it I'm 48 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:28,540 uploading lots of pictures going back 49 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:31,510 many many years 30 40 years it's 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:34,690 interesting to see looking back over the 51 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:36,810 years and that spot on my neck 52 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:41,040 the appearance and development of this 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:43,860 rotten little melanoma isn't that 54 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:46,530 interesting so maybe selfies can help 55 00:02:50,059 --> 00:02:48,510 you maybe if you got selfies going back 56 00:02:52,970 --> 00:02:50,069 some years you can have a quick squiz 57 00:02:55,699 --> 00:02:52,980 quick look see if anything's changed 58 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:55,709 anyway once again my prognosis is good 59 00:03:02,360 --> 00:02:58,890 and thank you indeed to all those people 60 00:03:03,949 --> 00:03:02,370 sending me there are well wishes but 61 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:03,959 coming up on this week's show we're 62 00:03:08,570 --> 00:03:05,310 going to kick off with an interview with 63 00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:08,580 James Randi my old friend James Randi 64 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:10,470 we're going to be talking about what 65 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:12,480 he's doing in retirement and the 66 00:03:18,830 --> 00:03:16,650 upcoming amazing meeting in July in Las 67 00:03:21,589 --> 00:03:18,840 Vegas always a pleasure to catch up with 68 00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:21,599 James Randi on skype and a great 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:24,660 pleasure to see him in person too after 70 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:26,250 that it's a week in science from our 71 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:28,319 good friends at the Royal Institution of 72 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:31,980 Australia and then a couple of reports 73 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:36,720 field reports from the recent no jab no 74 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:41,640 pay no way protests in Sydney Brisbane I 75 00:03:46,370 --> 00:03:43,200 think they were protests in Melbourne 76 00:03:48,410 --> 00:03:46,380 Perth than a few other cities this was 77 00:03:52,610 --> 00:03:48,420 organised by the forces of the 78 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:52,620 anti-vaccination lobby groups and well 79 00:03:57,740 --> 00:03:54,329 speaking for the one in Sydney it wasn't 80 00:04:00,890 --> 00:03:57,750 very well attended I think similar story 81 00:04:04,690 --> 00:04:00,900 in other parts of the country but you'll 82 00:04:07,610 --> 00:04:04,700 hear firsthand what some of these people 83 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:07,620 had to say when now given their soapbox 84 00:04:12,379 --> 00:04:09,780 in public and that'll be followed by a 85 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:12,389 debrief we had in Sydney and our good 86 00:04:18,890 --> 00:04:15,169 friend Heidi had when she went to the 87 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:18,900 protest in Brisbane just whately hear 88 00:04:24,110 --> 00:04:21,780 what some of these anti-vaxxers have to 89 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:24,120 say don't forget if you're in Sydney you 90 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:26,010 can come to skeptics in the pub which is 91 00:04:33,379 --> 00:04:29,690 this thursday 6pm the crown hotel on 92 00:04:35,659 --> 00:04:33,389 Elizabeth Street just down from museum 93 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:35,669 train station skeptics in the pub in 94 00:04:39,890 --> 00:04:37,889 Sydney is always a great event come 95 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:39,900 along whoever you are enjoy a drink 96 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:43,260 enjoy a dinner enjoy a talk and have a 97 00:04:48,409 --> 00:04:45,450 chat to me if you want to i'll show you 98 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:48,419 my scar hmm that's enough for me at the 99 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:49,950 moment I'm going to run downstairs see 100 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:50,720 if I can find 101 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:53,690 of the cat and then together we might 102 00:04:58,930 --> 00:04:55,850 raid the fridge get out the ingredients 103 00:05:01,480 --> 00:04:58,940 for some waffles yeah cook up some 104 00:05:03,580 --> 00:05:01,490 waffles with nice maple syrup hmm while 105 00:05:24,489 --> 00:05:03,590 we're doing that I hope you enjoy the 106 00:05:29,119 --> 00:05:26,570 joining me now all the way for Fort 107 00:05:30,889 --> 00:05:29,129 Lauderdale as he normally does about 108 00:05:34,659 --> 00:05:30,899 this time of year it's the one and only 109 00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:34,669 the amazing James Randi hello Randy 110 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:37,889 speaking hello good to talk to you again 111 00:05:44,619 --> 00:05:40,099 Richard death as you say this is our 112 00:05:48,469 --> 00:05:44,629 annual get-together on skype and I 113 00:05:51,799 --> 00:05:48,479 always look forward to it so ask away oh 114 00:05:53,299 --> 00:05:51,809 well let me begin right away Randy as I 115 00:05:56,389 --> 00:05:53,309 mentioned at the top of the show to my 116 00:05:58,100 --> 00:05:56,399 listeners I went under the knife oh yes 117 00:06:00,619 --> 00:05:58,110 I went under the surgeon's knife a 118 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:00,629 couple of days ago here in Australia but 119 00:06:04,009 --> 00:06:01,889 what many people don't know in the 120 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:04,019 minutes leading up to them wheeling me 121 00:06:08,029 --> 00:06:05,580 into the operating room you were having 122 00:06:09,649 --> 00:06:08,039 a quick chat to me a text chat and I 123 00:06:11,869 --> 00:06:09,659 found that very encouraging and you were 124 00:06:13,339 --> 00:06:11,879 assured me and modern science knows what 125 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:13,349 it's doing and you're reminding me of 126 00:06:19,999 --> 00:06:16,110 all the various procedures you've had 127 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:20,009 done yes well they have been the Doris 128 00:06:27,769 --> 00:06:23,089 and the medical science triumphed again 129 00:06:29,779 --> 00:06:27,779 some of the my detractors of their don't 130 00:06:32,449 --> 00:06:29,789 think it triumphs again they think it 131 00:06:34,909 --> 00:06:32,459 made up of sake listen now this I'm 132 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:34,919 still here and then tend to be here for 133 00:06:40,219 --> 00:06:37,860 quite some time I'm 86 now I always say 134 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:40,229 going on a hundred because I'm 135 00:06:46,819 --> 00:06:43,079 optimistic and that's on this chick but 136 00:06:48,799 --> 00:06:46,829 I certainly looking for with you after 137 00:06:53,689 --> 00:06:48,809 all merton garden read it to the med 138 00:06:56,989 --> 00:06:53,699 seven and you know astonishing that how 139 00:06:59,269 --> 00:06:56,999 how can do these things that I'm looking 140 00:07:02,239 --> 00:06:59,279 for an even century after which I'll 141 00:07:03,969 --> 00:07:02,249 relax in it how I see because I was just 142 00:07:06,409 --> 00:07:03,979 about to ask you now that you're 143 00:07:08,689 --> 00:07:06,419 officially retired what does that mean 144 00:07:11,499 --> 00:07:08,699 for the amazing Randi does that really 145 00:07:16,249 --> 00:07:11,509 mean much at all how are you enjoying 146 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:16,259 your retirement well I'm working hard to 147 00:07:23,719 --> 00:07:19,740 get efforts America because first of all 148 00:07:25,369 --> 00:07:23,729 I shortening time on earth sure 149 00:07:30,499 --> 00:07:25,379 but that's the only place that good is 150 00:07:33,170 --> 00:07:30,509 better I can assure you know I I found 151 00:07:36,829 --> 00:07:33,180 that the pressure of having to attend 152 00:07:39,649 --> 00:07:36,839 the almost daily to je reste mattress 153 00:07:42,409 --> 00:07:39,659 was getting a bit much for me and my 154 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:42,419 board of governors said that they they 155 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:44,969 understood and they allowed me to resign 156 00:07:53,239 --> 00:07:50,550 as the chairman of j-rod for the James 157 00:07:57,950 --> 00:07:53,249 Randi Educational Foundation as we all 158 00:08:00,079 --> 00:07:57,960 know and so I I'm just the founder now 159 00:08:02,059 --> 00:08:00,089 that doesn't mean that i just stumbled 160 00:08:06,739 --> 00:08:02,069 over in my yard or something like that 161 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:06,749 dude hi I started the thing up X number 162 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:10,529 of years ago and it's been a huge 163 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:13,409 success and for me and I hope for the 164 00:08:18,559 --> 00:08:16,740 skeptical community that's it's regarded 165 00:08:21,619 --> 00:08:18,569 all around the world of course it is 166 00:08:23,269 --> 00:08:21,629 famous for many reasons and we think 167 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:23,279 about the million-dollar challenge of 168 00:08:27,049 --> 00:08:25,349 course which is still going on which is 169 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:27,059 still available if people want to apply 170 00:08:31,550 --> 00:08:29,759 and I'm delighted to say and we'll get 171 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:31,560 to this in a moment that will be doing a 172 00:08:35,809 --> 00:08:34,169 million-dollar challenge at the amazing 173 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:35,819 meeting but we'll get to that we'll get 174 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:37,669 to that soon but let me touch on briefly 175 00:08:42,439 --> 00:08:40,680 as many Australian listeners will know 176 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:42,449 because they saw you in person you were 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:44,370 here doing an extensive tour of 178 00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:47,610 australia in december 2014 just last 179 00:08:54,019 --> 00:08:50,880 year and i must say Randy I was with you 180 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:54,029 for that tour which was one experience 181 00:09:00,439 --> 00:08:55,620 that was something I'll never forget I 182 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:00,449 found it tiring I mean I really did find 183 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:02,880 it tiring and I wrote a report about 184 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:04,769 this in one of the issues of the skeptic 185 00:09:09,439 --> 00:09:06,990 magazine and I'll never forget the time 186 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:09,449 that we were very tied after traveling 187 00:09:14,269 --> 00:09:11,310 all day in meetings and airports and 188 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:14,279 hotel rooms and taxis and then a dinner 189 00:09:19,129 --> 00:09:17,250 when we're all ready to drop you 190 00:09:21,860 --> 00:09:19,139 proceeded to make the cutlery disappear 191 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:21,870 off the table and that brightened 192 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:24,870 everybody hated we refer to that it's 193 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:28,380 theft in this country I don't know what 194 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:31,740 you thought it Australia course as 195 00:09:36,650 --> 00:09:35,250 guilty as charged and that was marvelous 196 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:36,660 because 197 00:09:40,939 --> 00:09:38,430 and we were all very died there you were 198 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:40,949 blinding the moon and making cutlery 199 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:43,620 disappear well I was wound up and you 200 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:45,180 can't stop me and I was working on 201 00:09:50,329 --> 00:09:48,000 another clock you understand that iris 202 00:09:55,129 --> 00:09:50,339 told I had a delay on there some place 203 00:09:56,869 --> 00:09:55,139 in my mom I biological timing so pardon 204 00:09:58,189 --> 00:09:56,879 me i was i was probably nine o'clock in 205 00:10:01,340 --> 00:09:58,199 the morning or something you never 206 00:10:03,379 --> 00:10:01,350 already suffered but no I enjoyed the I 207 00:10:07,309 --> 00:10:03,389 enjoyed the tour and I droid be with you 208 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:07,319 of course as always but it was pretty 209 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:09,569 strenuous in with the interesting thing 210 00:10:13,579 --> 00:10:11,250 is the way they booked it they booked it 211 00:10:15,710 --> 00:10:13,589 so it went from here to here to here to 212 00:10:17,389 --> 00:10:15,720 here back and forth it wasn't one of 213 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:17,399 these things that dotted around 214 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:20,730 Australia not at all we had to jump back 215 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,560 and forth across the continent so many 216 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:24,959 times and I spent a lot of time and 217 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:28,290 aircraft we did indeed as I say it was 218 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:30,060 like I think it's a famous quote by 219 00:10:34,369 --> 00:10:32,100 Ringo Starr or somebody like that what 220 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:34,379 was it to like it was a was a taxi in an 221 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:36,300 airport in a hotel room in a taxi in an 222 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:40,110 airport that was haha yeah yeah it 223 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:41,490 seemed like that but what a great 224 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:43,740 success the tour was so many people came 225 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:46,620 along people still talk to me about it 226 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:47,850 when I meet them at skeptics in the pub 227 00:10:51,499 --> 00:10:49,800 and so forth and of course one of the 228 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:51,509 main things of the tour apart from the 229 00:10:55,129 --> 00:10:53,160 wonderful time we had together on stage 230 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:55,139 chatting about your life and adventures 231 00:11:01,490 --> 00:10:58,410 was the showing of of the wonderful 232 00:11:04,189 --> 00:11:01,500 documentary and honest liar and I just 233 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:04,199 happen to notice in the last few days 234 00:11:10,999 --> 00:11:05,790 that I think that's becoming available 235 00:11:13,249 --> 00:11:11,009 on Netflix yes it's a it's on iTunes now 236 00:11:17,139 --> 00:11:13,259 as a matter of fact number one itunes 237 00:11:21,530 --> 00:11:17,149 has been for a few weeks now fantastic 238 00:11:24,290 --> 00:11:21,540 among all kinds of folks who are vying 239 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:24,300 for that number one position and i think 240 00:11:28,249 --> 00:11:25,920 we're still on there i had objected this 241 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:28,259 morning but if I when I drop down to 242 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:30,500 number 2 i'll run around the house 243 00:11:37,850 --> 00:11:34,889 wailing of course but know it we're very 244 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:37,860 proud of the debut night and we find 245 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:41,490 that they told her story straight 246 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:44,370 forwardly and honestly and the quite 247 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:47,490 frankly and I have 248 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:50,610 only no complaints about the the film 249 00:11:55,130 --> 00:11:52,830 but I'm enthusiastic about it Davey and 250 00:11:58,010 --> 00:11:55,140 I are both very enthusiastic about it 251 00:12:02,840 --> 00:11:58,020 it's a good film and the reaction I get 252 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:02,850 as Richard it's it's rather interesting 253 00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:06,810 yet so many people will come to us on 254 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:09,750 stage after the Q&A period it falls 255 00:12:15,650 --> 00:12:12,270 every one of the showings that we are 256 00:12:19,130 --> 00:12:15,660 able to attend with tears in their eyes 257 00:12:22,570 --> 00:12:19,140 they take me by the hand bird aviary 258 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:22,580 both of us and say you made a big change 259 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:26,730 in my life now you can't buy that region 260 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:29,910 there's no price that you can assign to 261 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:32,610 that it's quite touching quite touching 262 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:36,000 and quit moving and every time I hear it 263 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:38,670 and certainly an eight years at we 264 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,570 realize that lets that's what we were 265 00:12:47,030 --> 00:12:45,240 doing purposely we were trying to create 266 00:12:51,139 --> 00:12:47,040 that impression and we certainly got it 267 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:51,149 across and people did appreciate I'm 268 00:12:57,940 --> 00:12:54,690 sure what we said in the film absolutely 269 00:13:00,110 --> 00:12:57,950 and I course I saw that first firsthand 270 00:13:02,210 --> 00:13:00,120 after every performance here in 271 00:13:04,490 --> 00:13:02,220 Australia and if I remember correctly it 272 00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:04,500 was a delayed than Perth and Brisbane 273 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:06,630 and Melbourne and Sydney so we were 274 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:08,700 dotting around the country but after 275 00:13:12,769 --> 00:13:11,250 every performance which included the 276 00:13:14,569 --> 00:13:12,779 chat with you then the showing of the 277 00:13:17,389 --> 00:13:14,579 movie or the other way around i should 278 00:13:20,630 --> 00:13:17,399 say then we had the meet and greet of 279 00:13:22,910 --> 00:13:20,640 course and that's when hazel got to have 280 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:22,920 a chance to have a quiet word with you 281 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:25,110 and congratulate you and I saw that 282 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:27,570 reaction firsthand and I know that was 283 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:29,940 very tiring for you of course it was 284 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:31,320 because they were late nights but I'm 285 00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:32,370 sure it must have been a wonderful 286 00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:35,279 experience nevertheless oh it was no 287 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:37,920 question mark so so you're going to come 288 00:13:45,980 --> 00:13:41,310 back and do it again not right away 289 00:13:48,530 --> 00:13:45,990 right away Oh present we'll try it again 290 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:48,540 I can understand you need a bit of a 291 00:13:53,870 --> 00:13:51,360 rest but let's talk about of course the 292 00:13:55,130 --> 00:13:53,880 very exciting thing is Tam is going 293 00:13:57,860 --> 00:13:55,140 ahead this year which we're all very 294 00:13:59,890 --> 00:13:57,870 very pleased about and I guess you'll 295 00:14:02,290 --> 00:13:59,900 roll in tam this year is more of an 296 00:14:05,290 --> 00:14:02,300 a guest more than anything else would I 297 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:05,300 be right in thinking that yes I believe 298 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:07,730 so you see it's supposed to be dedicated 299 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:12,050 to welcome to me personally and that to 300 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:13,730 the memory of Martin Gardner and that's 301 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:16,010 very important to me as a matter of fact 302 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:18,500 I have this opportunity to tell you for 303 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:21,050 the first time this has not been 304 00:14:30,130 --> 00:14:25,760 revealed previously we have a natural 305 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:30,140 documentary with Martin Gardner that was 306 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:33,680 made years ago I think when it at the he 307 00:14:42,850 --> 00:14:36,590 was the age of 90 only 90 years old you 308 00:14:46,270 --> 00:14:42,860 imagine and it took seven years ago it 309 00:14:50,620 --> 00:14:46,280 was late and I sat down with Martin he 310 00:14:53,470 --> 00:14:50,630 was very very shy exceedingly shy and I 311 00:14:58,990 --> 00:14:53,480 got him into a conversational mode and 312 00:15:02,350 --> 00:14:59,000 we did a back and forth on on video of 313 00:15:05,890 --> 00:15:02,360 course and Martin was just was just 314 00:15:09,790 --> 00:15:05,900 wonderful and if we have time to edit it 315 00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:09,800 in you'll actually see Martin Gardner 316 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:14,240 playing the musical saw oh yes have you 317 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:16,130 have you ever seen that fun I with a 318 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:19,930 violin bow I think I do that yes yes yes 319 00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:22,310 yes that's quite something that it's 320 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:24,800 it's a unique sound is it's an eatery 321 00:15:32,830 --> 00:15:30,650 sort of sound isn't it yes like that 322 00:15:36,850 --> 00:15:32,840 martin was very good at it and he gave 323 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:36,860 us a little solo on the pub musical saw 324 00:15:42,910 --> 00:15:40,850 and as i say if we can incorporate that 325 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:42,920 we're not too sure that we can have a 326 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:44,690 spare the time for that but Martin 327 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:47,570 Martin was was wonderful just as he 328 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:50,450 always was in conversations with me of 329 00:15:57,390 --> 00:15:53,360 course of which there were so many over 330 00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:57,400 all those decades that I knew him and 331 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:00,560 that's going to be a feature of this tab 332 00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:02,870 and his son is going to be there 333 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:05,840 Martin's some I gym is going to there as 334 00:16:11,830 --> 00:16:07,940 well I look forward to meeting him and I 335 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:11,840 look forward to seeing the lineup the 336 00:16:15,610 --> 00:16:13,760 fabulous speakers now if listeners water 337 00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:15,620 more about the amazing meeting which is 338 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:18,350 being held in the Tropicana Casino this 339 00:16:23,380 --> 00:16:20,270 time we've been in the southport 340 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:23,390 southpoint for many years but it's it's 341 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:25,610 moved locations on the strip now which 342 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,230 is interesting because it gives people 343 00:16:31,150 --> 00:16:29,120 the opportunity to duck out and see more 344 00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:31,160 of Las Vegas I think but we don't get 345 00:16:37,150 --> 00:16:34,700 that on the spirit I dog and he it in 346 00:16:40,810 --> 00:16:37,160 this mess apprehensions there's no 347 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:40,820 strain I'm not gonna do my strip okay 348 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:43,490 I'm ready by looking forward to it by I 349 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:45,740 must say that I can't do that any longer 350 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:49,010 I'm general principles but on this trip 351 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:52,370 means on the main action yeah adventurer 352 00:16:58,780 --> 00:16:55,910 in Las Vegas so every lots of lights and 353 00:17:01,330 --> 00:16:58,790 horns and terrible things happening in 354 00:17:03,310 --> 00:17:01,340 the streets today but no I did it's 355 00:17:05,380 --> 00:17:03,320 really in the middle of Las Vegas and 356 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:05,390 maybe it's about time that we moved into 357 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:08,510 the active area it what I mean the South 358 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:10,490 points been been good fun for many years 359 00:17:14,170 --> 00:17:12,170 but I'm looking forward to a change I 360 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:14,180 think that's very exciting the website 361 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:16,010 people to go to to find out more about 362 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:19,089 the amazing meeting what you can expect 363 00:17:24,550 --> 00:17:22,610 the guests the lineup the activities 364 00:17:28,740 --> 00:17:24,560 involve the workshops lots and lots of 365 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:28,750 workshops the URL is amazing meeting.com 366 00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:31,310 you can find out about the accommodation 367 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:32,990 and you can book your tickets the 368 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:35,750 amazing meeting is from the 16th to the 369 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:39,260 19th of july so not that far away Randy 370 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:40,970 I know you like to get into town a 371 00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:43,490 little bit beforehand I think oh yes 372 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:45,980 I'll be there well in Nevada and by the 373 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:48,830 way I have to warn some folks out there 374 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:52,190 might have a fear of the number 13 this 375 00:17:58,540 --> 00:17:56,210 is 10 13 who it is yes yes yes that's 376 00:18:00,660 --> 00:17:58,550 the thing i don't think that way 377 00:18:04,090 --> 00:18:00,670 skeptics hairy too worried about that 378 00:18:06,730 --> 00:18:04,100 not as a rule no I and I'll be curious 379 00:18:11,710 --> 00:18:06,740 to see if this hotel casino hotel has a 380 00:18:13,060 --> 00:18:11,720 13th floor hmm oh wow I never thought of 381 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:13,070 that now you see you're thinking ahead 382 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,410 good for you well I must say the South 383 00:18:22,330 --> 00:18:17,840 Point didn't which is interesting well 384 00:18:24,850 --> 00:18:22,340 of course it did yes but it it wasn't 385 00:18:26,109 --> 00:18:24,860 only when you went into the elevators 386 00:18:31,649 --> 00:18:26,119 there there was no 387 00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:31,659 13 mmm-hmm well well I get into that but 388 00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:34,999 triskaidekaphobia I think I think that's 389 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:37,039 I think that's the word now we've got a 390 00:18:42,849 --> 00:18:39,679 question from one of our reporters may 391 00:18:45,099 --> 00:18:42,859 not a reporter who you have met on a 392 00:18:46,449 --> 00:18:45,109 number of occasions and he delights in 393 00:18:49,299 --> 00:18:46,459 interviewing you but he sent me a 394 00:18:54,669 --> 00:18:49,309 message he wonders if you ever had any 395 00:18:58,659 --> 00:18:54,679 dealings with Erich von Daniken no no I 396 00:19:03,149 --> 00:18:58,669 never did well he rather avoided me are 397 00:19:08,199 --> 00:19:03,159 I would rather presume but know that 398 00:19:09,849 --> 00:19:08,209 that delighted that I ever had but fun 399 00:19:12,009 --> 00:19:09,859 Daniken was not taken very seriously 400 00:19:15,489 --> 00:19:12,019 anymore there was a time when was a time 401 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:15,499 yes yes when they weather will was out 402 00:19:21,999 --> 00:19:17,929 there were closer around him and 403 00:19:26,829 --> 00:19:22,009 worshipful admiration but I think that 404 00:19:29,049 --> 00:19:26,839 day is past but James Van Praagh hmm an 405 00:19:31,089 --> 00:19:29,059 interesting gentleman who is coming to a 406 00:19:33,129 --> 00:19:31,099 lot more attention in this country all 407 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:33,139 well it's periodic he's up and down like 408 00:19:40,509 --> 00:19:36,489 a toilet seat back and forth and the 409 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:40,519 strange character to say the least he's 410 00:19:45,609 --> 00:19:43,369 very very hard to explain I do a lot of 411 00:19:48,849 --> 00:19:45,619 them are Randy I a lot of them are in 412 00:19:50,229 --> 00:19:48,859 fact I remember seeing a clipping I was 413 00:19:51,879 --> 00:19:50,239 just going through my archives the other 414 00:19:56,289 --> 00:19:51,889 day and I kept a clipping from a 415 00:19:59,379 --> 00:19:56,299 magazine here in Australia web Van Van 416 00:20:01,449 --> 00:19:59,389 Praagh was here claiming he was speaking 417 00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:01,459 to the late Princess Diana which I'm 418 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:05,389 sure he does yes I yeah Gregory and of 419 00:20:10,779 --> 00:20:07,369 course Randy one of the things that I've 420 00:20:13,539 --> 00:20:10,789 heard you say many times many times at 421 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:13,549 tam and before tam and after tam is that 422 00:20:18,219 --> 00:20:16,159 when people come to the amazing meeting 423 00:20:21,069 --> 00:20:18,229 and they see you that they shouldn't be 424 00:20:24,849 --> 00:20:21,079 shy they should they should come up and 425 00:20:26,919 --> 00:20:24,859 say hello if I always say I want to meet 426 00:20:29,169 --> 00:20:26,929 every last one of you I want to shake 427 00:20:31,419 --> 00:20:29,179 your hat and perhaps get a hugger too 428 00:20:36,159 --> 00:20:31,429 hmm cuz I'm a great hugger as you know 429 00:20:38,469 --> 00:20:36,169 yes I destroy and and I appreciate the 430 00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:38,479 feeling of a hug that's a real human 431 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,360 thing to do I believe I 432 00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:42,880 koala bears even do it so there that 433 00:20:50,190 --> 00:20:45,520 they can do it we can do it sir yep but 434 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,200 i must say i offered leave these 435 00:20:54,450 --> 00:20:52,240 meetings knowing that there were people 436 00:20:57,330 --> 00:20:54,460 around me who didn't come over and shake 437 00:20:59,340 --> 00:20:57,340 my hand and look me in the eye and I 438 00:21:02,669 --> 00:20:59,350 want to encourage people particularly on 439 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,679 Tam 13 now that opportunity is offering 440 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:04,720 itself again I want to meet everybody 441 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:08,170 there we've had as many as what twelve 442 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:10,690 hundred and something people attend but 443 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:13,210 I think I ignore some years mort's it's 444 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:15,100 been easier than some music absolutely 445 00:21:22,590 --> 00:21:18,790 huge yes yes oh yes I did I can take the 446 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:22,600 hugging I assure you and with marvelous 447 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:25,210 thing of course is not so many tams ago 448 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:28,330 maybe three or four times ago you never 449 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:31,660 fail to appear but I remember one time 450 00:21:37,409 --> 00:21:34,210 you oh I thinks just still recovering 451 00:21:39,090 --> 00:21:37,419 from surgery yourself and yes you were 452 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:39,100 periodically in a wheelchair but that 453 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:40,840 didn't stop you you still were greeting 454 00:21:45,390 --> 00:21:43,480 people it was marvelous to see well I 455 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:45,400 went faster of those days I wasn't 456 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:49,090 operating the wheelchair use friend 457 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:51,820 bleeding around yes and that was just it 458 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,760 my doctor's advice I wasn't supposed to 459 00:21:59,630 --> 00:21:57,280 strain myself too much physically but 460 00:22:02,130 --> 00:21:59,640 I'm going to be invited this year oh yes 461 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:02,140 array to go I'm wearing running shoes 462 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:06,669 this time and athletic shoes so that I I 463 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:08,890 won't have to slow down that's fantastic 464 00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:12,400 with Randy if your effort on the 465 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:14,620 australian tour is any indication and 466 00:22:20,669 --> 00:22:18,730 you did that jetlagged and on top of 467 00:22:22,919 --> 00:22:20,679 that we had the grueling schedule of 468 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:22,929 performances and travel and you were 469 00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:25,090 sparkling right to the end I'm sure you 470 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:26,320 collapse once you're on the airplane 471 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:28,210 heading home though but if that's any 472 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:31,270 yes if that's any indication I think 473 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:33,510 people are in for a wonderful time folks 474 00:22:40,049 --> 00:22:36,820 amazing meeting calm the Tropicana Hotel 475 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:40,059 July sixteenth to the 19th in Las Vegas 476 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:44,500 come and meet James Randi himself and if 477 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,910 you can't find James Randi you can 478 00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:48,880 always come up and say hello to me there 479 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:51,700 you go and and another announcement to 480 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:54,010 it I think will interest folks that 481 00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,290 that from the UK we're going to have it 482 00:23:03,330 --> 00:22:58,960 as a as a guest and as a speaker Simon 483 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:03,340 Singh as I NGH who is a very very active 484 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:05,650 person in the skeptical movement in the 485 00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:09,160 UK and he's a charmer as well and I 486 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:10,870 think you're very very interested to 487 00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:13,870 hear what he has to say Simon Singh is 488 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:15,880 is a wonderful fellow have had the 489 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:19,150 pleasure to meet Simon on a few 490 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:20,980 occasions when he's visited Australia 491 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:22,870 and I think I met him once in the UK at 492 00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:26,110 the QED convention he he and you would 493 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:28,780 be worth a convention just by yourself I 494 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:31,570 mean he is a class act and he has done 495 00:23:36,510 --> 00:23:34,450 such wonderful work in the UK I'm 496 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:36,520 delighted to know that Simon Singh will 497 00:23:40,830 --> 00:23:39,190 be there and if that doesn't tip you 498 00:23:43,170 --> 00:23:40,840 over to buying a ticket folks I don't 499 00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:43,180 know what will well Randy I'm looking 500 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:45,070 forward to it so much and for the 501 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:46,240 benefit of our listeners we're actually 502 00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:48,010 video each other right now which is a 503 00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:49,750 lot of fun and you're looking Hale and 504 00:23:55,170 --> 00:23:53,380 Hardy and ready to go yes and you're 505 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:55,180 wearing your funny little headphones are 506 00:23:59,310 --> 00:23:57,250 stuck in your ears I can't make those 507 00:24:01,890 --> 00:23:59,320 things stay in my ears that's what I 508 00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,900 where the boat right don't reach here 509 00:24:05,910 --> 00:24:04,240 okay I can't make them stick in there 510 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:05,920 they keep falling out and that's awkward 511 00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:08,110 when you're doing a public appearance 512 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:09,820 you know always hugging your ears back 513 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:13,270 in again I'm sure it is James the 514 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:15,550 amazing Randi always a pleasure to check 515 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:18,010 you on skype to interview you and I am 516 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:19,810 certainly looking forward to once again 517 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:22,450 meeting you in person in only a few 518 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:25,060 weeks time but for now thank you very 519 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,060 much thank you and the pleasure always 520 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:30,640 talk to you and Richard your look 521 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:34,450 looking well I I expect that you can 522 00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:38,650 reciprocate with a similar observation 523 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:44,740 of my appearance hello thank you Richard 524 00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:02,480 ad hominem begging the question factoid 525 00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:04,620 propagation false analogy false cause 526 00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,780 false dichotomy gibberish immunized 527 00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,580 hypothesis moral equivalence poison the 528 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,140 well simple modern certitude stacking a 529 00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:12,720 deck and WTF are just some of the 530 00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:14,670 phalluses we provide real life examples 531 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:17,190 of in hunting humbug 101 a podcast about 532 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:21,090 bad arguments check it out at WWF text 533 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,960 field guide welcome to a week in science 534 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:36,120 from our iOS bringing you the science 535 00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:38,730 you need to know automation is the next 536 00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:40,800 frontier in volcano research let's take 537 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:42,420 a look at the robots exploring the 538 00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:50,690 leave it to NASA's Jet Propulsion 539 00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,190 Laboratory to invent the volcano bot 540 00:25:59,150 --> 00:25:56,880 first tested in Hawaii in 2014 volcano 541 00:26:01,220 --> 00:25:59,160 bought one has traveled 25 meters into 542 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:01,230 an inactive Fisher and there are plans 543 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:03,450 to send volcano BOTS to even further 544 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:05,850 into the belly of the beast connected by 545 00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:08,070 cabling in a tether volcano got one 546 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,040 rolls along 17 centimeter wheels cameras 547 00:26:15,770 --> 00:26:13,200 and 3d mapping software a house in a 548 00:26:18,020 --> 00:26:15,780 body 30 centimeters long and send data 549 00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:18,030 back to the surface directly well Kona 550 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:20,070 bot two is a little more compact with a 551 00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:22,650 25 centimeter body and 12 centimeter 552 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:24,270 wheels this will make it more 553 00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:26,370 maneuverable plus it has stronger motors 554 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,830 an adjustable vision system and onboard 555 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,200 data storage researchers will also be 556 00:26:38,270 --> 00:26:33,120 able to control it using a live video 557 00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:38,280 feed so why build a dedicated volcano 558 00:26:42,530 --> 00:26:40,350 bot well there's a reason the game is 559 00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,540 don't step on the lava along with the 560 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:44,760 external dangers of volcanoes there are 561 00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:46,230 also lots of nooks and crannies where 562 00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,660 people just can't fit the volcano bots 563 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:50,400 are helping researchers develop more 564 00:26:54,650 --> 00:26:53,010 realistic models of eruptions this is 565 00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,660 pretty exciting for geologists and 566 00:26:59,120 --> 00:26:56,880 volcano enthusiasts alike and there are 567 00:27:00,050 --> 00:26:59,130 also implications for extraterrestrial 568 00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:00,060 volcanoes 569 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:01,980 the largest volcano in our solar system 570 00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:03,930 is Olympus Mons on Mars and the moon 571 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:06,780 also has volcanic vents and fissures the 572 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:08,610 volcano BOTS can be used for practice on 573 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,710 earth before potentially exploring other 574 00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:13,440 worlds and now let's erupted into for 575 00:27:19,670 --> 00:27:18,180 fast facts about volcanoes scientists to 576 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:19,680 study volcanoes are known as 577 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:23,040 volcanologists lava is hot it can erupt 578 00:27:29,150 --> 00:27:26,370 at temperatures of 1250 degrees Celsius 579 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:29,160 rather than being destructive volcanic 580 00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,930 activity has actually formed more than 581 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,960 eighty percent of the Earth's surface 582 00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,340 volcanoes can create lightning due to 583 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:37,080 friction between the ash creating 584 00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:39,330 electricity this is also known as a 585 00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:41,790 dirty thunderstorm that's it for this 586 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:43,980 week in science for more information on 587 00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:47,820 volcanoes go to the rirs website RI aus 588 00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:51,420 org a you follow us on twitter at our 589 00:28:14,290 --> 00:27:54,420 iOS and like us on Facebook I'm Casey 590 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:19,190 hey Heidi oh hi Joe hi Heidi oh hi 591 00:28:25,910 --> 00:28:22,710 Maynard hi Maynard oh hi Joe nice day in 592 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:25,920 this park yeah yes great weather oh look 593 00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:29,760 a unicorn a unicorn there are no such 594 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:32,340 things as unicorns silly yes there are 595 00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:35,550 no there isn't Hey ladies what are you 596 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:38,040 arguing about Jay thinks unicorns are 597 00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:41,490 real they saw our let's look this up in 598 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:45,030 the skeptics dictionary the word how can 599 00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,280 we do that in this park there are no 600 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:49,620 computers here you ladies probably don't 601 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:51,930 know about the skeptics dictionary app 602 00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:54,990 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 603 00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:58,140 touch in the app store yeah we do we've 604 00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:00,120 been listening to the skeptic zone for 605 00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:04,440 years you know yes okay the app lets you 606 00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:06,660 access all the great skeptics dictionary 607 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,380 articles when you're on the go yeah let 608 00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:13,200 me look up unicorns oh cool Heidi 609 00:29:17,159 --> 00:29:13,960 prepare 610 00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,169 be proven wrong it says here the Unicorn 611 00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:20,559 is a creature from fables aha actually I 612 00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,360 see now that someone just dumped their 613 00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:24,159 ice cream cone on that horse's head 614 00:29:46,529 --> 00:29:27,940 thanks detentionaire iphone that's just 615 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:46,539 some guy in his undies sunday the 616 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:50,350 twenty-first of jun 2015 saw in various 617 00:29:59,310 --> 00:29:54,690 cities around australia no jam no pay no 618 00:30:01,260 --> 00:29:59,320 way protests basically people protesting 619 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:01,270 against the federal government's plan to 620 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:04,630 limit certain welfare benefits and other 621 00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:08,230 benefits from parents who don't have 622 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:11,100 their children vaccinated so these are 623 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:14,020 protest events were organised for these 624 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:15,820 cities around mr. alien Perth and 625 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:18,570 Brisbane Sydney Melbourne I think 626 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:22,840 launceston I attended together with some 627 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:24,610 other skeptics the one in Sydney at the 628 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:27,370 Sydney Town Hall steps the town hall I 629 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:31,260 made sure I recorded the proceedings i 630 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:34,809 would estimate for the speeches there 631 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,000 was about 75 people 60 to 75 people by 632 00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:42,000 the time the speeches ended down media 633 00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:45,820 march started with banners and chanting 634 00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:48,309 as you just heard before i counted about 635 00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,679 a hundred and ten people i think you'd 636 00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:52,960 have to agree that for any protest in a 637 00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:55,480 major capital city this is a pathetic 638 00:31:00,930 --> 00:30:57,820 turnout but the good thing about these 639 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:00,940 protests was that these people got the 640 00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:03,130 opportunity to put their views in public 641 00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:05,980 which is their democratic right and what 642 00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:09,520 views they were now talk about giving 643 00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:11,320 somebody enough rope it was a good thing 644 00:31:16,889 --> 00:31:14,190 that these people got to speak in public 645 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:16,899 there was about four speakers i think 646 00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:19,990 maybe five speakers are because gave the 647 00:31:25,649 --> 00:31:22,919 rest of us a chance to hear firsthand 648 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:25,659 the drivel these people come up with the 649 00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:27,230 outdated ideas that 650 00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:30,830 conspiracy theory mongering of course 651 00:31:35,230 --> 00:31:32,299 this was all done under banners of 652 00:31:37,780 --> 00:31:35,240 freedom of choice and both sides of the 653 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:37,790 issue and so on but it soon became clear 654 00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:39,530 that these people aren't interested in 655 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:43,100 both sides of an issue they have got 656 00:31:47,169 --> 00:31:45,020 their point of view which is basically 657 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:47,179 vaccines or evil vaccines of bad 658 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:50,870 vaccines cause diseases autism etc and 659 00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:54,049 you don't have to take my word for this 660 00:32:00,039 --> 00:31:57,590 and to reinforce the point that this is 661 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:00,049 what these people really are pushing or 662 00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:01,970 was what they believe let me play a 663 00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:03,500 small clip here from one of the speakers 664 00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:05,960 who is reading a message from a very 665 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:09,080 prominent and evac sir called dr. Vera 666 00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:11,540 schreiben who is a doctor of 667 00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:14,540 micropaleontology I think may even 668 00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:17,390 doctors refuse mandatory vaccinations 669 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:19,580 for themselves and they do not vaccinate 670 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:22,370 their own children very bright there are 671 00:32:26,659 --> 00:32:24,620 a number of US doctors openly opposing 672 00:32:28,609 --> 00:32:26,669 vaccinations 673 00:32:31,159 --> 00:32:28,619 my well considered opinion that 674 00:32:33,739 --> 00:32:31,169 vaccination is the primary cause of all 675 00:32:35,899 --> 00:32:33,749 modern more problems of humanity which 676 00:32:38,419 --> 00:32:35,909 threaten to swallow most of the national 677 00:32:40,609 --> 00:32:38,429 product there's not a side of progress 678 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:40,619 and success in medicine to have a modern 679 00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,609 high-rise hospitals all the city people 680 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:45,899 so there you are her views are quite 681 00:32:51,379 --> 00:32:48,210 clear that their vaccination is 682 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:51,389 responsible for all modern diseases it's 683 00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,129 ridiculous of course it's ridiculous but 684 00:32:57,739 --> 00:32:54,840 the people in the audience were lapping 685 00:33:00,320 --> 00:32:57,749 it up now let me play your clip from one 686 00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:00,330 of the speakers in Brisbane and our 687 00:33:04,369 --> 00:33:02,070 reporter highly Robinson was on the 688 00:33:07,639 --> 00:33:04,379 scene there a former police sergeant 689 00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:07,649 named Chris Savage now by way of 690 00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:13,799 background one of the more bizarre crazy 691 00:33:21,619 --> 00:33:18,720 and frankly sickening allegations or 692 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:21,629 claims made by the anti-vaxxers is that 693 00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:23,970 shaken baby syndrome where little babies 694 00:33:31,399 --> 00:33:27,659 are shaken so hard that they get brain 695 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:31,409 damage and sometimes die it is not a 696 00:33:39,499 --> 00:33:34,769 criminal act after all it's really a 697 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,509 result of vaccinations now I first heard 698 00:33:43,129 --> 00:33:41,940 this claim about 10 years ago and it's 699 00:33:45,109 --> 00:33:43,139 sort of like the first time I saw her 700 00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:45,119 ear candling where I just almost 701 00:33:48,619 --> 00:33:47,190 couldn't believe my own eyes when I 702 00:33:50,899 --> 00:33:48,629 heard this claim I thought it was too 703 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:50,909 wacky for anybody to seriously suggest 704 00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,950 it well have a listen to this firstly I 705 00:34:02,320 --> 00:33:58,559 was a sergeant of place in the police 706 00:34:06,019 --> 00:34:02,330 service I was pushed out after helping a 707 00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:06,029 person in custody who was falsely 708 00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:11,879 accused of shaken baby syndrome shaken 709 00:34:19,069 --> 00:34:16,139 baby syndrome is merely inflammation of 710 00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:19,079 the cerebral cortex which is the brain 711 00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:22,470 and it comes up against the skull and 712 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,109 bruises and it can injure or kill the 713 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:31,919 babies sometimes they can die they can 714 00:34:36,669 --> 00:34:34,649 get the injury on the first vaccine and 715 00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:36,679 then subsequent vaccines 716 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:39,940 we'll finish them off the police will 717 00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:42,889 because they're brainwashed like like I 718 00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:44,899 was the only reason i woke up is because 719 00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:47,960 i was injured by the vaccine the 720 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:51,950 hepatitis b vaccine i was in bed for two 721 00:34:58,089 --> 00:34:54,770 weeks and I could feel the life force in 722 00:35:01,390 --> 00:34:58,099 be being shut down and I was going down 723 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:01,400 and it was only because I got out of bed 724 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:05,420 and I went to a doctor and I said to the 725 00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:08,390 doctor could this be the vaccine that 726 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:11,380 made me tired and the doctor replied 727 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:14,290 instantly know would have been that and 728 00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:16,970 then said next and shut me out the 729 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:19,660 office they don't want to know about 730 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:22,490 vaccines doing damage and they'll get 731 00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:24,230 angry because they've been brainwashed 732 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:26,630 to believe that that scenes are helping 733 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:29,630 but in fact they are harming everyone 734 00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,660 up to the point of death and that's what 735 00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:44,240 vaccines do cause some people to die 736 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:47,670 there is no benefit it's like being 737 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:49,710 bitten by a snake or being stand by 738 00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:52,170 someone there is no benefit from being 739 00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:54,780 stabbed by anyone there's no benefit 740 00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,510 from being bitten by a snake and that's 741 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:00,300 what vaccines are poison stab wounds 742 00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:03,930 into the human body so again I think 743 00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:06,150 having these rallies was a good idea a 744 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,350 very good idea it reinforces the 745 00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:12,480 wonderful democracy you live in and 746 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:14,670 people have welcome to put their point 747 00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,320 of view and it also gives us a very good 748 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:23,040 insight into the mindset that these 749 00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:26,250 people have their true opinions they're 750 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:27,660 not interested in freedom of choice 751 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:29,700 they're not interested in both sides of 752 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:32,330 the story they're interested in stopping 753 00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:35,250 vaccinations after the Sydney event I 754 00:36:39,350 --> 00:36:36,750 caught up with some of the skeptics who 755 00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:39,360 were there on the day which I'll play 756 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:41,880 now and after that it's Heidi Robinson 757 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:44,930 reporting from the Brisbane protests 758 00:36:51,350 --> 00:36:49,650 freedom of choice no jab no hey no way 759 00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:51,360 well I'm with a group of dedicated 760 00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:54,270 skeptics here we just attended the rally 761 00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,070 the talk the rally the march here in 762 00:37:01,220 --> 00:36:59,040 Sydney of the town hall hello moe Chuck 763 00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:01,230 Maureen hell you good thank you how are 764 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:03,740 you Richard I well I'm enjoying a nice 765 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:06,180 glass of champagne here in the pub with 766 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:09,660 some others hello everybody we went to 767 00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,630 see this protest put on I think the 768 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:14,760 instigation of people like be a strain 769 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:16,290 vaccination skeptic Nick away from 770 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,030 people like that we had a series of 771 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:20,160 speakers on the steps of town hall and a 772 00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:25,290 huge crowd 45 maybe maybe 60 maybe there 773 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:26,790 are a lot of people just part of history 774 00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:31,110 just look at yeah we got lots of flies 775 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:33,540 and bump they were giving up but I must 776 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:35,970 say one of the things that that struck 777 00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,530 me and it strikes me every time I hear 778 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:40,140 these people talk is just a drivel voy 779 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:44,330 oh my goodness me and no talking about 780 00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:47,790 to conspiracy theories and freedom of 781 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:48,849 choice against the 782 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:51,130 Constitution but then we had it somebody 783 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:54,249 who's relaying a message from bearish 784 00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:57,249 Radner yes full of the most outdated 785 00:38:03,059 --> 00:38:01,359 quackery yes she was a cat remember who 786 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:03,069 was reading that on one of the 787 00:38:07,019 --> 00:38:04,210 organizers I just can't remember yeah 788 00:38:10,259 --> 00:38:07,029 and but she was basically reading a list 789 00:38:15,749 --> 00:38:10,269 of adverse events from product 790 00:38:19,049 --> 00:38:15,759 information leaflet but but she included 791 00:38:21,779 --> 00:38:19,059 autism in yeah and look they don't they 792 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:21,789 don't understand that they just recorded 793 00:38:26,339 --> 00:38:24,220 adverse events there's no causality in 794 00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:26,349 those in those events they have to 795 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:30,849 document everything the patient's tell 796 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:32,410 them when they're in a clinical trial I 797 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:33,849 know because I worked in clinical trials 798 00:38:38,099 --> 00:38:36,729 for many years so there we well it was 799 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:38,109 raining at the beginning the rain sort 800 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:40,089 of stopped we stood there are actually i 801 00:38:43,799 --> 00:38:41,650 video'd the lot people were 802 00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:43,809 photographing us we got a mention yeah 803 00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:45,700 from the speaker's this the evil 804 00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:48,630 australia australian skeptics yes oh 805 00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:50,950 that was worth the price of admission on 806 00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:53,529 and then after the various talks they 807 00:38:57,749 --> 00:38:56,140 sort of walked down the street and it 808 00:39:00,569 --> 00:38:57,759 didn't take long for the parade to pass 809 00:39:04,019 --> 00:39:00,579 no no it was a passing parade of about 810 00:39:06,089 --> 00:39:04,029 30 seconds you're not long so the cops 811 00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:06,099 blocked off George Street and for those 812 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:08,289 of you who don't know Sydney that's the 813 00:39:12,329 --> 00:39:10,089 main street of Sydney said they'd only 814 00:39:14,579 --> 00:39:12,339 blocked off two blocks I think burn 815 00:39:16,229 --> 00:39:14,589 because the police were on horseback now 816 00:39:18,809 --> 00:39:16,239 Richard you mentioned the Australia 817 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:18,819 vaccination skeptics networkers possibly 818 00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,569 organizing they were had nothing to do 819 00:39:29,459 --> 00:39:25,839 with this in fact I went 10 sidelined at 820 00:39:32,279 --> 00:39:29,469 the moment and stopped that Meryl Dory 821 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,289 posted about this yesterday and wished 822 00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:34,960 everyone good luck yesterday going to 823 00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:38,619 the March yesterday oh um they've been 824 00:39:43,049 --> 00:39:41,380 totally sidelined by these newcomers 825 00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,059 whoever they may be who have jumped 826 00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:46,079 aboard this issue well there you go 827 00:39:51,029 --> 00:39:48,910 imagine that and but there was some old 828 00:39:54,089 --> 00:39:51,039 favorites their mark donohue oh goodness 829 00:39:55,709 --> 00:39:54,099 me excellent I saw him first talk in i 830 00:39:58,319 --> 00:39:55,719 think it was two thousand and one or two 831 00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,329 thousand two me and Peter Budaj went to 832 00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:00,880 a talk and if people Google Virgil and 833 00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:01,630 Dante goat 834 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:04,750 the hurstville even as a report there 835 00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:07,750 and and that all those years ago he said 836 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:09,220 to the audience and we have it on 837 00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,890 videotape statements like doctors are in 838 00:40:15,269 --> 00:40:13,839 danger to children things like that so 839 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:15,279 why this guy still practice this is 840 00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:17,500 beyond me well many a true word is 841 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:20,829 spoken by doc Marquis yes um where he 842 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:23,650 practices there we find there is a focus 843 00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:27,700 or vaccine refusal yeah say no more yes 844 00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:29,710 they know more how I just add a little 845 00:40:34,579 --> 00:40:32,140 bit about dr. mark donohue for those of 846 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:34,589 you who remember us talking about the 847 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:37,990 homeopathy plus clade case I'm afraid 848 00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,609 Shepherd was there today yes Fran 849 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:42,180 Sheffield and her daughter were there 850 00:40:47,789 --> 00:40:45,220 dr. McDonough who was one of the expert 851 00:40:50,999 --> 00:40:47,799 witnesses for friend Sheffield that was 852 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:51,009 whose testimony or written affidavit was 853 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:53,890 excluded on the basis that he's not an 854 00:41:03,240 --> 00:40:58,450 actual expert well I think the message 855 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:03,250 here is that so that the anti-vaxxers 856 00:41:07,529 --> 00:41:05,170 had it rally on the steps of the Sydney 857 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:07,539 Town Hall a march on the streets but it 858 00:41:13,019 --> 00:41:10,170 was so comical and pathetic in the end 859 00:41:16,009 --> 00:41:13,029 all we had to do was turn up and look 860 00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:16,019 yes and the victory is ours you know I 861 00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:18,609 and as I said before it's like watching 862 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:20,230 the death rattle of something that's had 863 00:41:24,299 --> 00:41:22,900 its head cut off okay can still be a bit 864 00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:24,309 dangerous it can still bite or it can 865 00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:25,960 still do some damage but really it's 866 00:41:30,569 --> 00:41:28,660 just it's just disintegrating into our 867 00:41:33,269 --> 00:41:30,579 something which should be consigned to 868 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:33,279 history and I just topped such waffle 869 00:41:38,249 --> 00:41:35,710 they were quoting a case him and you 870 00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,259 would know about this Rogers versus 871 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:41,680 Whitaker oh yeah a famous case involving 872 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:43,750 informed consent where a woman was not 873 00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:46,420 told of all the possibilities of what 874 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:48,700 might go wrong during surgery and it 875 00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:49,930 went to the high court and it's a 876 00:41:54,509 --> 00:41:52,720 landmark case they were referring to it 877 00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:54,519 as if it related to vaccines and they 878 00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,700 didn't even mention the words informed 879 00:42:01,380 --> 00:41:59,440 consent so they I don't know where they 880 00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:01,390 got the reference obviously had no idea 881 00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,750 what was about now all right now we'll 882 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:07,599 hear from our friends up in the northern 883 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:08,710 part of yourself I'll southern 884 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:10,490 Queensland about the 885 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:16,520 rally that happened in Brisbane so here 886 00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:20,330 we are at a pizzeria pub type situation 887 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:23,180 in Brisbane City and i'm here with Phil 888 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:25,430 Phil introduce yourself to the listeners 889 00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:29,830 if you would hello I'm Phil and you are 890 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:32,740 watch in the brisbane skeptics society 891 00:42:39,310 --> 00:42:36,290 currently secretary you actually founded 892 00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:39,320 it I guess skipton mode on twitter if 893 00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:42,590 you have followed it and we've just come 894 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:46,540 from the brisbane know Jeb no pay 895 00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:49,670 protests over in Queens Park tell us 896 00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:51,020 your thoughts about the government's 897 00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:53,180 proposed legislation that some that's 898 00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,900 coming in January the first next year I 899 00:43:02,260 --> 00:42:58,400 think it's a shame that it's come to 900 00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:02,270 this but people that aren't vaccinating 901 00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:04,280 for good reason obviously need that 902 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:06,940 extra shelves so let's give it to them 903 00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:09,410 okay and so from what you've seen online 904 00:43:15,099 --> 00:43:11,180 and what you saw today with the 905 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:15,109 protesters what did you see as what 906 00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:18,410 their main concerns are a lot of them 907 00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:20,660 weren't even anti-vaccine they're just 908 00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:24,230 aunty I guess government poking their 909 00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:25,880 nose in there obviously were some air 910 00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,180 d-backs is there now i speaking and i 911 00:43:34,359 --> 00:43:30,800 think actually drove some of the people 912 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:34,369 away yeah so we saw lots of placards up 913 00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:37,490 today and and a lot of what i saw was 914 00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:41,000 about the taking away of freedom of 915 00:43:44,410 --> 00:43:42,980 freedom of choice what what do you think 916 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:44,420 about that particular argument do you 917 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:45,770 think it is a choice that's being taken 918 00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:48,290 away from people nine people serve the 919 00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:49,910 choice not to vaccinate if they don't 920 00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:54,430 want to they just getting penalized 921 00:44:00,839 --> 00:43:57,760 making it up I guess a for choice is it 922 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:00,849 actually them being penalized though 923 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:04,240 it's a government benefit which which 924 00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:06,250 have certain criteria in order to be 925 00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:11,079 eligible for it is that is that same you 926 00:44:16,049 --> 00:44:13,960 know as a as a penalty of CP I mean 927 00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:16,059 obviously there are some that think it 928 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:18,220 is but what are your thoughts I think 929 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:20,230 energy is probably the poor choice of 930 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:24,010 words put their consequences for not 931 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:25,569 doing the right things for the community 932 00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,930 at large people need to understand that 933 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:31,359 i think on their facebook page the 934 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:33,430 brisbane page i think they said that 935 00:44:39,299 --> 00:44:37,690 they were expecting about 1,400 yes I 936 00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:39,309 think we estimated there were about 200 937 00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:41,670 people that showed up at the end and 938 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:44,710 Ross has just joined us Ross who are you 939 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:46,450 hello hi I'm Ross mulch I'm the 940 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:48,250 president of Brisbane skeptics society 941 00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:50,650 and what did what were your thoughts on 942 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,540 the well firstly what would what are 943 00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,160 your thoughts on the proposed government 944 00:44:58,589 --> 00:44:56,800 legislation is coming in next to you you 945 00:45:00,480 --> 00:44:58,599 know originally I sort of I wanted to 946 00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:00,490 think to be hard about it and I know 947 00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:02,740 after thinking about the effects is 948 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:04,329 gonna have I think it's pretty good idea 949 00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:06,030 you know at the end of the day I think 950 00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:08,260 some of the arguments that children are 951 00:45:12,329 --> 00:45:09,670 gonna miss out might be a bit misplaced 952 00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:12,339 I feel like a lot of parents they didn't 953 00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:14,470 vaccinate because of either convenience 954 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:16,750 or you know that kind of thing and I 955 00:45:20,059 --> 00:45:18,520 think a lot of the parents that don't 956 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:20,069 vaccinate are actually going to be 957 00:45:24,839 --> 00:45:22,569 vaccinating because of this and you know 958 00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,849 that the people who are kind of they've 959 00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:26,520 done their research in our so-called 960 00:45:30,329 --> 00:45:28,660 vehicle they tend to be the ones who 961 00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,339 can't afford to not vaccinate so they 962 00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:32,079 probably you know it won't affect them 963 00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:33,849 but I think a lot of people it will help 964 00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:36,220 so yeah I I don't think I'm against it 965 00:45:38,299 --> 00:45:37,720 it certainly requires a bit of thought 966 00:45:40,249 --> 00:45:38,309 I've been 967 00:45:42,529 --> 00:45:40,259 but I think it's going to be useful in 968 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:42,539 the end so you think that ultimately 969 00:45:46,939 --> 00:45:45,569 this initiative will raise vaccination 970 00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:46,949 rates is that what you're expecting to 971 00:45:50,269 --> 00:45:48,689 see out of it I think so and I think the 972 00:45:52,969 --> 00:45:50,279 evidence is already starting to come in 973 00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:52,979 that it's having an effect so at the end 974 00:45:57,259 --> 00:45:54,390 of the day if it's working it's working 975 00:45:59,380 --> 00:45:57,269 I mean I I feel like possibly there was 976 00:46:01,699 --> 00:45:59,390 a bit of political you know 977 00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,709 capitalization but if it has the effect 978 00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:03,420 we want then I guess we can just have to 979 00:46:08,299 --> 00:46:06,150 deal with that aspect of it I guess yeah 980 00:46:10,009 --> 00:46:08,309 and from I asked Phil this as well from 981 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:10,019 what you've seen online and what you saw 982 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:13,410 today what were you gathering were the 983 00:46:18,439 --> 00:46:17,130 main gripes of the protesters today well 984 00:46:20,029 --> 00:46:18,449 it was interesting I was really hoping 985 00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:20,039 to come along today and have you know 986 00:46:22,939 --> 00:46:21,569 have to scratch my head and really think 987 00:46:25,489 --> 00:46:22,949 about some of the arguments they were 988 00:46:27,019 --> 00:46:25,499 making but it was the same sort of tired 989 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:27,029 arguments of all you know you're taking 990 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:28,859 away the choice it's forced vaccination 991 00:46:32,689 --> 00:46:31,170 and of course this law is nothing like 992 00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:32,699 that you still have a choice whether to 993 00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,099 vaccinate or not it's just that choice 994 00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:37,619 who will have a consequence I know I I 995 00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:39,390 just I didn't hear anything today that 996 00:46:43,489 --> 00:46:41,339 you know made me think any more than I 997 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:43,499 already have I feel like I could have 998 00:46:46,669 --> 00:46:44,729 put up a much better argument than they 999 00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:46,679 did for why this might not be a good 1000 00:46:51,289 --> 00:46:49,859 idea and I'm for the legislation I I saw 1001 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:51,299 nothing new today there was no new 1002 00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:53,849 arguments the same the same anti-vaxxers 1003 00:46:58,189 --> 00:46:55,380 emits came out as well not just the 1004 00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:58,199 civil liberties type arguments but you 1005 00:47:03,499 --> 00:47:00,599 know the the vaccine autism the mercury 1006 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:03,509 the aluminium it was all the same stuff 1007 00:47:08,419 --> 00:47:05,609 we've seen it it's 10 20 years old maybe 1008 00:47:09,529 --> 00:47:08,429 even 30 years old now and you know it 1009 00:47:14,529 --> 00:47:09,539 was interesting because if there was a 1010 00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,539 visible though towards the end some real 1011 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:16,920 some of the Nazi of people i should say 1012 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:19,690 got up on stage and 1013 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:21,890 people were uncomfortable I'm people 1014 00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:23,330 started to leave and that was 1015 00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,510 encouraging in it of itself so it was 1016 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:28,400 very interesting actually to observe the 1017 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:31,370 cook the sort of drop off as the the 1018 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:33,530 talks went on and the the crazier things 1019 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:35,450 got said it was very interesting yes I 1020 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:38,210 think we we noticed it particularly with 1021 00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:40,730 the speaker who who started talking 1022 00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:43,460 about shaken baby syndrome being caused 1023 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:46,070 by vaccination and and quite a few 1024 00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:49,010 people took off their placards that they 1025 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:50,750 had around their necks em and walked 1026 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:53,570 away so certainly not doing themselves 1027 00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:56,210 any favors with those kinds of speakers 1028 00:48:00,220 --> 00:47:58,430 I don't think so at all and I think what 1029 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:00,230 this is demonstrated to some people is 1030 00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:02,690 the you know that the crazy side of the 1031 00:48:06,610 --> 00:48:04,430 anti backside think a lot of people are 1032 00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:06,620 on the fence about vaccination they they 1033 00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:08,600 don't have serious safety concerns maybe 1034 00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,070 they come at it from a more civil 1035 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:12,560 liberties point of view and I I think 1036 00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,210 it's probably good for those people to 1037 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:16,400 encounter what the the more sort of 1038 00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:18,050 radical side of the anti-vaccine 1039 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:20,750 movement is is spouting because it's not 1040 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:22,370 sustainable I think most people are 1041 00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:24,290 smart enough to hear something crazy 1042 00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:26,360 when they went when it's confronted when 1043 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:28,820 they confronted with it and yeah maybe 1044 00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:30,350 actually it's an overall been a good 1045 00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:32,360 thing and I think something else was 1046 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:33,950 interesting is that you know people 1047 00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:35,930 aren't interested in this anti back Sarg 1048 00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:37,820 Uman we we were there for a good hour 1049 00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:41,000 and a half two hours and I didn't see 1050 00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:42,920 any sort of people wandering off the 1051 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:44,630 street no one seemed to be interested in 1052 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:46,730 what was going on and I I think most 1053 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:49,190 people just accept vaccination as for 1054 00:48:53,350 --> 00:48:51,230 what it is it's a safe room reliable 1055 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:53,360 effective form of preventing disease and 1056 00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:55,610 I think people are over it to be honest 1057 00:49:01,570 --> 00:48:58,880 I think the media has turned against the 1058 00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:01,580 anti-vaxxers and I think people now just 1059 00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:03,020 see them for what they are a fringe 1060 00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,390 group III don't think they're given the 1061 00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:07,040 attention that they might have even five 1062 00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:08,270 years ago 1063 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:11,390 yes but a couple of little ones behind 1064 00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,070 us here I think we all saw a lot of 1065 00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:19,040 hypocrisy today and that seems to to be 1066 00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:23,480 a common thread in the anti-vaccine but 1067 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:25,820 yeah look we'll see how we go so there 1068 00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:28,690 are probably 200 odd people there today 1069 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:31,940 a lot of them did leave threw out some 1070 00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:35,690 of the speeches so really putting things 1071 00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:38,780 in perspective it was it was a bit of a 1072 00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:40,340 drop in the ocean that the people that 1073 00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:43,550 there were two that today were vastly in 1074 00:49:47,770 --> 00:49:46,460 the minority of people in the community 1075 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:47,780 that wants to do the right thing and 1076 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:49,370 understand that vaccination is a good 1077 00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:51,770 thing Thanks thank you very much for 1078 00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:54,560 joining me feel if people want to learn 1079 00:49:58,990 --> 00:49:56,150 more about you tell us again where they 1080 00:50:01,120 --> 00:49:59,000 can find you or you can find us a script 1081 00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:01,130 amount on Twitter or lurking on the 1082 00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:03,230 Brisbane skeptics society Facebook page 1083 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:06,020 excellent and you Ross Ross balch on 1084 00:50:09,550 --> 00:50:07,970 twitter is a good place to find me and I 1085 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:09,560 also have a Facebook page now where I 1086 00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:10,910 share a lot of that and I think that's 1087 00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,460 facebook.com slash R Us balch let's not 1088 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:15,920 forget your podcast yes I'm still doing 1089 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:17,330 step physically challenged I have some 1090 00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,730 cool guests on their sort of getting 1091 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:21,680 more co-host now every week and it's a 1092 00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:22,970 lot of fun talking about the latest 1093 00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:24,680 skeptical events in a hopefully 1094 00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:26,860 light-hearted but analytical way 1095 00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,510 excellent yes Phil and keep an eye on 1096 00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,040 for the skeptic rabbit hole podcast 1097 00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:33,680 coming soon yes oh can you tell us 1098 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:35,180 anything about that or just that was a 1099 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:38,420 dissertation oh I'm just a tease all 1100 00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:41,530 right thank you very much boys men sorry 1101 00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:43,300 thank you very much men see you next 1102 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,150 time thank you to Heidi and crew in 1103 00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:47,680 Brisbane and thank you to those skeptics 1104 00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:50,680 who joined me in Sydney and I think the 1105 00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:53,350 message here one of the messages here is 1106 00:50:57,930 --> 00:50:55,660 that it's really important for skeptics 1107 00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,940 to get out there and be at these things 1108 00:51:01,650 --> 00:50:59,920 or it's like going to mind body spirit 1109 00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:01,660 mind body wallet it's important to be 1110 00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:04,660 there and it's important for skeptics to 1111 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:06,940 be at protest like this because the 1112 00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:27,300 the skeptic magazine the journal from 1113 00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:30,460 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 1114 00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:32,680 the world's second oldest skeptical 1115 00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:37,990 magazine visit w WC apx com au and click 1116 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:40,750 the publication's League you can also 1117 00:51:48,030 --> 00:51:44,710 find their over 30 years on back issues 1118 00:52:07,130 --> 00:51:48,040 free to download the skeptic magazine 1119 00:52:11,489 --> 00:52:09,690 thank you for listening to the skeptics 1120 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:11,499 done and thank you to those wonderful 1121 00:52:16,049 --> 00:52:13,390 skeptics who had joined me on the day 1122 00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:16,059 here in Sydney for those protests the 1123 00:52:20,279 --> 00:52:17,710 anti-vaccination protest and thank you 1124 00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:20,289 to Heidi Robertson now dear reporter up 1125 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:23,140 there in the northern rivers area who 1126 00:52:29,099 --> 00:52:25,660 went up to Brisbane for the day of 1127 00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:29,109 protests up there and of course thank 1128 00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:33,119 you to James the amazing Randi for ah 1129 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:36,059 giving me some time a few days ago 1130 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:38,410 coming up on next week's show it's 1131 00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:41,650 reported Joe alabasta with samar round 1132 00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:43,900 up of some news which has been going on 1133 00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:45,940 lately to do with homeopathy and some 1134 00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:48,430 other stories coming up in the 1135 00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:50,529 not-too-distant future our reporter 1136 00:52:58,289 --> 00:52:53,529 heidi's going to be discussing a psychic 1137 00:53:00,779 --> 00:52:58,299 a so-called psychic and maynard well 1138 00:53:02,370 --> 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